GW I 2013-14 Finals: Harvard GZ v. Yale BB




  • Case: Should the film makers of Zero Dark Thirty have exaggerated the role torture played in the finding and killing of Osama Bin Laden?

    Gov: Harvard Chief Mango
    PM: Shomik Ghosh
    MG: Josh Zoffer

    Opp: Yale BB
    LO: Zach Bakal
    MO: Mike Barton

    Results
    Winner: Harvard Chief Mango, 5-0.
     

     

    14 Comments

    1. Anonymous says:

      Douchebaggery aside, Zoffer is the GOAT.

       
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    2. Anonymous says:

      Chilton, O’Connor, and everyone who could win without partners repeatedly bailing them out were all better. Go watch Maryland and Brown finals.

      It’s nice to have Coulter, Shomik, and BSK to make sure you win even the rounds you’re bad in. But GOAT? Try Chilton winning 70 rounds in a row, many with partners who never broke without him.

       
      • Anonymous says:

        I’m sorry, but this is ridiculous. As someone who watched many of the debaters you are mentioning, I have to disagree.

        1. Zoffer won TOTY, SOTY, NorthAms, Worlds, and Nats. His record speaks for himself. No one has ever accomplished anything near that in their debate careers. He is GOAT by accomplishment alone.
        2. I’m pretty sure Harvard A only lost ONE opp round that entire year. Teams with choice never chose to gov on them in out rounds because they knew they would lose. So Zoffer never got to LO in outrounds, which was by far his best position. If you watched Rutgers quarters against Brandeis on caucases, though, I don’t think you’d have written your post.
        3. Shomik and Zoffer ran open cases throughout their TOTY run. Open cases necessarily mean the debates will be close and PMR will have work to do in the end. That doesn’t mean MG was bad, but just not round-winning.
        4. While Shomik was one of the best out-round debaters I’ve seen, Zoffer was also a good PMR. If you had flipped them, they probably would have won the same amount of rounds.
        5. Chilton had Wansley for his APDA life and had Cormac for his Worlds run. Get out of here.

         
    3. Anonymous says:

      ^ dat SOTY record doe

       
    4. Anonymous says:

      ^ though if Ani had top spoken instead of second spoken at either Columbia or Harvard, he would have overtaken it…

       
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